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02/03/2003 Entry: "Today's Education..."

... sucks. Take a look on the right here ... it's a screen shot from CNN News. Now right away, we can see how the shuttle broke apart. I mean, hell, they were going 18 times faster than the Universe's speed limit! Someone wake up Einstein's corpse, because he's going to be spinning in his grave so fast, it will power both Philip Morrison's pacemaker and Steven Hawking's powerchair for the next few years, and they are going to need it. Philip will have a heart attack, Steven will be seen playing in the freeway, and the late Richard Feynman will come back from the dead to avenge his wrath against the STUPID...!

Okay, sorry guys. But this makes me SO mad. I mean, come on! USA Today once did a poll on American education, and it showed the "average" number of the planets in the solar system was guessed at 6. The average!!! That means a lot of people guessed lower than 6. There are 9 recognized planets (10 if you count Quaoar, but in 1992, it was 9). Man. Also a lot of engineering students assumed astronauts didn't "just float off the moon" because they (oh man), "were wearing heavy boots."

This is why we must continue to explore space. To get away from these people. Okay, no, that's mean. No, I mean we have to keep pressing for people to have, at least, basic science knowledge. I am not asking for your average Joe to know the molarity of a HCL sample by sniffing, because he'll ask why this "hickle stuff" was "burning his hand." No, I want all basic biology, chemistry, physics, astronomy, geography, meteorology, and geology to be a requirement to pass being allowed to watch TV. Just basic stuff like "gravity attracts" and "acid burns" and a general knowledge about the Table of Elements. That sort of stuff.

Name the nearest star to Earth. Did you guess Alpha Centauri at 4.3 light years? You want extra credit for getting the distance right, too? No. Wrong. It's a star called Sol, and it's one AU away from earth. Our own sun. Is a star. It's that huge flaming ball in the sky you see during the day, and when you stare at, you get eye ouchies.

I saw the CNN blurb over and over... (the screenshot is from someone else, though) and laughed that kind of neurotic hysterical laugh I have when I am both terrified and amused at something so blatantly ignorant. So I tried to amuse myself by imagining what might have happened at 18 times the speed of light. Well, I couldn't get past the 1*c (just the speed of light), because the mass of the space shuttle turned to energy, and exploded with force of ... well, to scale it down, a standard size Milky Way bar, when totally converted to energy, would blow up with the strength of 66 atom bombs like the ones they dropped on Hiroshima. I'd say even the "fun size" would be enough to wipe out every major city on the US east coast. So, something the size of the space shuttle ... over Dallas? At 18c? I am trying to picture the whole shuttle's mass turned to energy, and blowing up like a small star in our upper atmosphere, wiping out most of the Western hemisphere in some hot shockwave that, but again, I am thinking at 1c only. 18c... 18c... (ponder ponder... and the gears in his head go round and round... round and round... round and round...).

Of course, when you go PAST the speed of light, like 1.1c, no one is sure what happens, because no one has ever gone past the speed the light, a 186,000 miles per second limit (at least in our Universe... those reading this from George Lucas's universe may be different with the Kessel Run being done in less than 12 parsecs). Let's leave out all the junk about relativity, because while interesting to me, I think I have lost most of my readers already. I want to keep this simple, and not talk about tachyonic particles and stuff. Let's just look at 18 * 186,000 mps. That's 3,348,000 miles of distance in 1 second. The diameter (width) of the earth at the equator is 7,926 miles wide. Hell, the average distance from where you are right now and the moon is only 222,264 miles. So in 1 second, traveling at 18 times the speed of light, you could go to the moon and back almost 8 times ... in 1 second. You'd reach the sun in about 28 seconds. Hell, that causes all kinds of interesting things. You could see the sun, zoom back to Earth, then wait almost 8 minutes and you could see yourself leaving the sun with a telescope, because it takes 8 minutes for the light near the sun to hit the Earth. It only travels at 1c. So if it zipped over Dallas, by the time the light from the time you saw it got to your eyes, it would have already been several times past the moon's orbit, and be gone. If it hit the Earth at that speed... now my assumption falls apart, because we have to convert mass to energy from the impact to determine crater size for a 250,000 lb mass at 18c and... ow, my head. Okay, it might just be enough energy to blow up the planet to smithereens in an explosion and shockwave that would shatter the moon to particles the size of M&Ms. My friend Jason might have a better time with this than I am having, he's got a PhD in Astrophysics.

So, no. Okay, I know what you are saying, they meant 18 times the speed of sound. Actually, at sea level, they were going only 16.4 times the speed of sound (at 12,500 mph), but at the height they were at, the speed of sound is actually less ... but not enough to make a difference; they still died.

Which leads me back to what could be the biggest tragedy that might occur from this accident: delay of the space program. Look, the fact they get such a huge piece of machinery up there and back at all, with government-bought parts, who gives the contract to the lowest bidder, like how school cafeteria food is selected ... it's a miracle. Add that to low pay for research scientists, the horrific bureaucracy, constant budget cuts, supplier price bloating, being dependent on keep the public interested with almost no PR department ... it's a wonder we have a space program at all. I mean, it's not they aren't careful. Each mission something new goes wrong, and it takes some huge group of human brains in space and on the ground to fix it. That's how we learn, by mistakes. Sadly, this mistake cost human lives. But that's the nature of the business. I'd say the space program killed only 17 astronauts in more than 50 years. In three accidents. Now, how many bus drivers have been killed in 50 years? Garage mechanics? Police and firemen? Yeah. A lot more. None of those jobs have been banned yet. They just made them safer.

Please support your local science program. Please tell the government to spend more on research, or take some time on your own to volunteer for museums and schools. Hell, do your own research!

Don't let this tragedy make us even more ignorant.


The Peanut Gallery responds with: 9 comments


Hi Grig,

Wow! 18 c!! Fantastic!

Good job, and good logical arguments,
except for ignoring the relativity
part (but you have to for 18*c!)

250,000 lb mass at 18c ...

250,000 lb-mass = 1.1e5 kg
1 ton TNT = 4.2e9 Joules

the classical kinetic energy would be (1/2)*mass*(18*c)^2 = 1.6e24 Joules
=3.8e14 tons TNT = 380 tera-tons of TNT = 0.38 peta-tons of TNT = 20 billion Hirosimas

the relativistic rest mass energy m_0*c^2 = 9.9e21 Joules
= 2.4e12 tons TNT = 2.4 tera-tons TNT = = 120 million Hirosimas

the total realtivistic energy E=E_0 (rest mass energy) + K (relativitic kinetic energy) = m_0*c^2
+ K = m*c^2
where m = m_0/sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2) = relativistic mass when m_0 is traveling at v.
The *big* problem is that if v > c, then you get a sqrt ( < 0) which isn't physical. :(

Posted by Jason Aufdenberg, CfA Postdoctoral Fellow of Solar, Stellar, and Planetary Division @ 03/03/2003 04:14 PM EST


I saw this on another website and tried to link to it on a discussion board but it had gone.

I thank you for preserving for all time (or until the internet crashes) this glorious bit of history. The stars are ours!...If we can get the retros to work.

BTW your Blog just plain rocks!

Posted by Not Ken...Really @ 02/10/2003 06:01 AM EST


I saw the "18x the speed of light" pic posted at another website. Much in the same way Mariah Carey's "Glitter" gave the nation a chance to laugh afer 9/11, CNN helped a nation achieve "closure" via "WTF?". Of course, you realize this will make the folks over at the Fox News Channel even more smug...

When the schools in this country begin to focus on education instead of re-enacting the Zimbardo experiment, and science classes cease to be the arena of choice for every ongoing ideological slapfight in America, maybe bloopers like the one on CNN on 2/1/2003 won't happen.

Posted by Malle Babbe @ 02/04/2003 07:56 PM EST


Ok, first off, I have to say this. You rock. I cannot tell you how hard I laughed at this, reading about the sheer ignorance of some people. It's sad, really, but what do you expect when teachers are some of the lowest paid 'proffessionals'. I put that in quotes because, well, lets face it.. it just doesn't take much to become a teacher these days. I say we cut military funding in half, and divide what we'd have left from that cutting and give it to the schools and scientists. But hey, that's just my opinion. ^_~

Posted by Jean @ 02/04/2003 01:45 PM EST


That's proof of the reason I don't take all of what the news says as truth. Light sounds much cooler and more spacy than Sound.

My dad was selected to be a mission specialist in the mid 80's, but politics intervened and his payload was pulled. He talked to us about the possibility of him not making it, and gave us kids veto power. We of course were very much in favor of him going. He ended up not going, but we were all willing to take that risk of something happening vs. doing something good for the US.

Posted by Chicken Warrior @ 02/04/2003 09:26 AM EST


Man, this makes the 'santa and the reindeer' paradigm that much worse.

Posted by Rogue @ 02/04/2003 04:30 AM EST


Gumby - "My brain hurts!"

Doctor Gumby - "It will have to come OUT"

- Monty Python

Posted by Dan Alt @ 02/03/2003 05:20 PM EST


Some points:

1. Those wacky Autodynamics (http://www.autodynamics.org) people claim you can propel matter up to 27 times the speed of light.

2. Alan Shepard went up May 5th 1961 (Illuminati date... hmm) which makes for almost 42 years of American Manned Space Flight, not over 50.

3. Mach = Speed of Object/Speed of Sound. Speed of Sound in Mesosphere is about 700mph so the number Mach 18 makes sense.

4. oh yeah Special Relativity dictates mass cannot go at c much less 18c. So the entire direct conversion thing makes no sense.

5. If you were to directly convert a Candy Bar to energy though I imagine the Tunguska Explosion would be a better comparison than Hiroshima (some say it was a mini-singularity which is like mass going faster than light kind of).

6. Oh yeah 66 Hiroshimas (about 8 megatons) air-bursted would wipe out DC and Environs with a kill radius of less than 20 miles around ground zero. Not every major city on the east coast. I got these numbers out of a government manual a few years back for a 10 Megaton air strike.

Max. radius of complete destruction brick structures (mi/km) 8/13.4
Max radius of light damage (mi./km) 26/44
Radius of lethal winds (mi./km) 14/23
Radius of 2nd degree burns on exposed skin (mi./km) 26/44
Radius for ignition of fabrics (mi./km) 17/29

But yeah I agree with you NASA does miracles with what it is funded. See now why America needs to employ me? I'm so bored I'm factchecking blogs!

P.S. Your blog software doesn't allow me to hyperlink in my comments. So sad.

Posted by Sean @ 02/03/2003 04:41 PM EST


just so that you know i study a few years ago proved it possible to send a proton faster then the speed of light.

Posted by fprefectz @ 02/03/2003 03:33 PM EST

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